Playing With Fire

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Welcome to Playing With Fire, the podcast for people who are ready to custom-build their love. We’re talking about non-monogamy–however you design it–as an individuation opportunity. Want to leave the default and make your life spectacularly you? You’re in the right place.

Recent Episodes
  • 199 Why Verbal Agreements Suck (And Why We Still Use Them)
    Apr 12, 2025 – 00:39:47
  • 198 Why does jealousy freak out the nervous system?
    Apr 5, 2025 – 00:37:43
  • 197 I Want What They’ve Got: Feeling Envy Towards Your Partner
    Mar 29, 2025 – 00:39:50
  • 196 Envy: How to Use It and How to Lose It
    Mar 22, 2025 – 00:32:22
  • 195 Help, I’ve Struck Gold: Handling NRE in Two Relationships
    Mar 15, 2025 – 00:43:48
  • 194 Reimagining Relationships
    Mar 8, 2025 – 00:46:05
  • 193 Beyond Good Intentions: Building True Integrity in Relationships
    Mar 1, 2025 – 00:43:00
  • 192 [Replay] What would you do with your full power? A conversation about kink, power exchange, and everyday life with Mollena Williams-Haas
    Feb 22, 2025 – 00:51:26
  • 191 [Replay] Turn your Toxic Attractions into Psychological Growth with Sunny Megatron
    Feb 15, 2025 – 00:57:21
  • 190 [Replay] Shadow work: What if your monsters were trying to help you live the life you always wanted?
    Feb 8, 2025 – 00:45:40
  • 189 [Replay] Can my attachment style do non-monogamy?
    Feb 1, 2025 – 00:43:01
  • 188 [Replay] Justice Jealousy
    Jan 25, 2025 – 00:52:47
  • 187 [Replay] Imago Dialogue: Transforming Conflict into Connection
    Jan 18, 2025 – 01:21:58
  • 186 Polyamory in the Second Half of Adulthood with Kathy Labriola
    Jan 11, 2025 – 00:52:15
  • 185 Conscious Uncoupling
    Jan 4, 2025 – 01:02:48
  • 184 Q&A Quickie: Why get married?
    Dec 28, 2024 – 00:32:55
  • 183 Pelvic and Sexual Health for Every Body with Dr. Ariana Cesare
    Dec 21, 2024 – 01:03:46
  • 182 Q&A Quickie: What should I do when my partner wants gender-based rules in non-monogamy?
    Dec 14, 2024 – 00:29:42
  • 181 Q&A Quickie: Privacy vs. Transparency—How do I feel safer?
    Dec 7, 2024 – 00:35:23
  • 180 Hyper-Individualism vs Healthy Autonomy: Am I The A**hole?
    Nov 30, 2024 – 00:35:43
  • 179 One Kid’s Reflection on Being Raised by Polyamorous Parents
    Nov 23, 2024 – 00:29:52
  • 178 The One to Share with Your Concerned Family Members
    Nov 16, 2024 – 00:34:45
  • 177 Shadow Dance: Navigating Projections in Relationships
    Nov 9, 2024 – 00:49:04
  • 176 Dismantling Defensiveness
    Nov 2, 2024 – 00:41:39
  • 175 Coming Out as Non-Monogamous: Risks, Rewards, & How To Get Ready
    Oct 26, 2024 – 00:42:27
  • 174 Social Monogamy: The Impact of Maintaining Your Mono-Image
    Oct 19, 2024 – 00:35:00
  • 173 Getting off the Relationship Escalator (Or Choosing Not To)
    Oct 12, 2024 – 00:34:39
  • 172 Grieving Change: A Crucial Relationship Skill
    Oct 5, 2024 – 00:38:24
  • 171 Why Self-Agreements Will Make or Break Your Relationships
    Sep 28, 2024 – 00:53:07
  • 170 Jealousy & Attachment Panic
    Sep 21, 2024 – 00:44:46
  • 169 Q&A Quickie: Why am I having such a hard time sticking to my agreements?
    Sep 14, 2024 – 00:41:37
  • 168 Ethics, Responsibility, and the Changing Landscape of Non-Monogamy with Eve Rickert and Andrea Zanin
    Sep 7, 2024 – 00:56:57
  • 167 Unfuck Your Monomind, Part 2
    Aug 31, 2024 – 00:36:31
  • 166 Q&A Quickie: How do I deal with my anxiety when my partner is on a date?
    Aug 24, 2024 – 00:25:05
  • 165 Monogamy, In This Economy? with Laura Boyle
    Aug 17, 2024 – 00:47:57
  • 164 I HATE THIS: Get Unstuck with Existential Kink (A shadow work method)
    Aug 10, 2024 – 00:54:59
  • 163 Playfulness, Vulnerability, and Parenting with Abbey & Liam from Evolving Love
    Aug 3, 2024 – 00:53:58
  • 162 Non-Monogamy & Community: Real Stories from YOO
    Jul 27, 2024 – 01:34:49
  • 161 Adopting a Polyamorous Lens with Alex Alberto, Author of Entwined
    Jul 20, 2024 – 00:53:58
  • 160 Getting Your Needs Met
    Jul 13, 2024 – 00:52:13
  • 159 Q&A Quickie: How can I handle my resentment that my partner isn’t into what I want?
    Jul 6, 2024 – 00:23:25
  • 158 Desire Discrepancy: What to Do When Your Wants Don’t Align
    Jun 29, 2024 – 00:49:41
  • 157 What Is Compersion? with Author Marie Thouin
    Jun 22, 2024 – 00:55:12
  • 156 Betrayal Trauma & Non-Monogamy
    Jun 15, 2024 – 00:43:53
  • 155 Q&A Quickie: How do we rebuild from lost trust?
    Jun 8, 2024 – 00:18:34
  • 154 Research-Backed Therapy for Non-Monogamous People with Dr. River Farrell
    Jun 1, 2024 – 00:51:17
  • 153 Limerence vs. New Relationship Energy
    May 25, 2024 – 00:47:41
  • 152 How to Take Intentional Relationship Breaks
    May 18, 2024 – 00:37:21
  • 151 Justice Jealousy
    May 11, 2024 – 00:52:45
  • 150 Asymmetric Agreements: How much balance should we strive for?
    May 4, 2024 – 00:41:33
Recent Reviews
  • Miss Lissa1
    My favorite podcast!
    Honestly this podcast is fabulous for ENM but also ANY relationship. I love the dialogue, education and the deep dives. I find myself constantly digging deeper and learning more every episode. Thank you for making this podcast!!
  • Katharina0312
    Awesome!
    Great! But Ken’s name is missing from the title image of this podcast. Having you two there, Juli and Ken, makes a big difference so I’d love to see his name on the title! Awesome job, guys!
  • okaylenaeps
    Constantly blown away - this podcast is for all people who want to live meaningful lives
    This podcast has more vulnerable and profound insight in a single episode than (I imagine) exist in the entirely of some people’s lives. I am constantly blown away by how much generosity and meaning-making dialogue Jolie, Ken and their guests offer up. In a world that rife with chaos, violence, and grief, this podcast provides me weekly place to receive nourishing thought and encouragement. Ken and Jolie model for me what it can look like to lead an intentional life; one that is complex, messy, generous, kind and beautiful. Thank you so much. (I never write podcast reviews but this show means so much to me, I had to!)
  • Zerf1
    Needing to Grow While Opening Up? Listen to this podcast.
    If you want to be open, but you’re also looking for emotional maturity, stability, and intimacy this will help. This podcast will help you walk through the internal processes to move towards YOUR path to YOUR best capacity to that maturity, stability, and connection.
  • Justin_Time.
    This isn’t a non-monogamous podcast
    This podcast shouldn’t say it’s specifically for non-monogamy. It’s much more than that. I believe this podcast could help anyone who is in any type of relationship. It brings up real life stuff that people are usually just not consciously discussing. It just so happens that non-monogamy is the catalyst to really dissect a relationship.
  • EmbraceTruthCreations
    A Wealth of Information in this Podcast!
    This podcast is rich with juicy and useful information about how to color outside the lines with our relationships. What freedom these concepts can gift us! Thank you, Dr. Joli and Ken!
  • JessicaVR26
    A great resource
    I’ve been in the Nonmonogmay and Polyam space for some time now and finding Dr. Joli, her work and this podcast was a delight! This space is still limited when it comes to healthy resources and good educators and Joli is just that. Her voice is resonant, inclusive and so knowledgable. She tackles concepts like jealousy and sexual health with ease and helps normalize conversations around what most people feel is still taboo! Thank you for your work!
  • Colorkid
    Expanding the idea of what love can be.
    New to the concept of polyamory and everything that comes with it. My husband a few weeks ago came to me to discuss us going Polly but also because he had developed very strong feelings for someone else. Now to many this would have been a sign to breakup or to punish him continually, however i wanted to do neither. I wanted to address this and figure out how we could make this work. Through the podcast “playing with fire” it has been heaven sent to be able to hear not only a couple who’s been through this and still navigating the in’s and outs with everyday of their life’s. I love the fact that I’m learning the fact that Polly is much more than just sex its about relationships its about trust its about communication…something that at times is almost impossible for grown people to do. If this is a topic that you find yourself involved in its so important to start building your community and your support system to help you stay both safe and sane.
  • jrfletch31
    So grateful
    I am beyond grateful to have found this podcast. It is a beautiful space they’ve created to discuss topics deeply with gentleness and gorgeous intelligence.
  • Siamese Gina
    Essential relationship insights
    Such rich, unique interviews with cutting edge relationships experts.
  • jazminleigh123
    Incredible, beautiful and real!
    By far the best podcast addressing relationships - and relationship topics other people don’t dare to venture into! Joli is so knowledgeable and insightful. I love listening to the dynamic Ken and Joli have and knowing that their discussions are more than just personal experience. Need some solid evidence-based relationship advice from people who know what they’re talking about? Look no further!
  • SharonERichardson
    Sage advice
    Dr Joli and Ken are relatable and real people navigating complex emotions in dynamic families. A lot of juicy nuggets to ponder! Joli has always shined in her role as a pioneer - it’s nice to hear real conversations!
  • hematite66
    Open, joyful conversation and learning!
    I love the yin and Yang here… Joli and Ken clearly love and trust one another and are open about the work and film that got them there.
  • MichelleRenee1029
    Compassionate
    I love how Joli meets people where they are. Such a kind and compassionate person.
  • ShesGotWays
    Love it!
    So grateful podcasts like this exist!
  • MarieThouin
    Great podcast for those interested in intentional sexuality
    Great podcast for those interested in intentional sexuality
  • Dr. Sam Graber
    Let's "go there"!
    I love talking about the things we just don't talk about! And I'm thrilled to now know there's another podcast doing the same. Hearing from others who are exploring the multitude of facets we humans can experience is wonderfully refreshing. Thank you Joli & Ken for being raw and real in sharing your expertise, experience and insights.
  • Jimproviser
    Renewable agreements!!
    One of my favorite episodes was when I heard Ken & Joli describing how they keep a notebook of their relationship agreements. I’ve had agreements (I think) but didn’t make them real by writing them down. And the invitation to revisit them as we change might seem glaringly obvious, but it’s been a profound realization for me that I was missing that important step.
  • asergunina
    A Must for Couples and Entrepreneur
    I love a different perspective Joli and Ken bring to the table on this complicated topic called Relationships. I met Joli thru her book, Project Relationship, The Entrepreneur's Action Plan for Passionate, Sustainable Love. I was hooked and wanted more!
  • PamelaCara
    Game-changer! Plus adorable, relatable, and helpful…
    This podcast brings so much inclusive knowledge and loving acceptance to the world…plus, it’s entertaining and fun to listen to. Joli’s open-hearted depth of knowledge and expertise, combined with Ken’s relatability and brave vulnerability, is the perfect conduit to help us evolve in our relationships. When my partner finally listened to it, our conversations completely transformed more productively and positively. I can tell you from personal experience, this podcast is a relationship game-changer. Thank you, Joli & Ken!
  • SerinaPH
    Loving this collaboration!
    I absolutely love this podcast!!! I listen with my partner and we can relate to Joli and Ken which helps US relate to each other. This podcast sparks beautiful conversations within my relationships…all of them. I particularly enjoy the honesty, rawness, joy, and pleasure of their conversations. Thank you so much for sharing your hearts.
  • strategist2win
    Mindblown
    Best episode, “Do I really want my lover to see me?” Such a profound question and really has you think deep about yourself, your relationship, and how it’s effecting you. So great!
  • Mountain165
    Fresh perspective on marriage and relationships
    The podcast has such a fresh perspective on relationships and marriage. It breaks open the typical thoughts about what marriage is and what’s fixed vs. what we have control over. Thanks for your unique take on this topic!
  • Commander Flamethrower
    Creating a Relationship that Works
    not just a relationship handed down to you by society. Wow! At 53, I am so excited to listen and learn from this amazing couple, with a combination of education and experience and authenticity and vulnerability when discussing topics I have barely even heard about before. I am so happy to have found these and can’t wait to keep exploring and learning these different ways of consciousnesses creating relationships and communication! Bravo! ❤️
  • MLH0120
    A Relationship Must!
    The way Joli and Ken share the depth and truth of their own experience to prompt you to look at your own relationships in a new way is invigorating and invaluable!
  • AshGoodfellow
    Incredibly inspiring
    I wish I could rate this more than five stars! The way that Joli and Ken have such deep conversations that are so fruitful is incredibly inspiring. I finish each episode eager to work on myself and with my partner to give us both the happiest life. I could not recommend this enough!
  • jessrhodesbiz
    Honest conversations
    The best podcasts are ones where are you as a listener feel like a fly on the wall of a real authentic conversation, and that’s exactly what you feel like when listening to this show!
  • CaigJ3189
    Joli's Expertise is Top Notch
    Joli is such an amazing person and has SO much amazing content & knowledge to share with her listeners. Anyone looking to have better, happier, more open, and just an amazing relationship overall needs Joli!
  • Carol-MiniMax
    Pure, Honest and Open!
    I truly love listening to your podcasts. You both are so open and honest. It makes me feel like you understand all the differences between one another in a relationship BUT also you show how to support the individual while still coming together as one. I had the awesome privilege of walking into your gym and your lives, never to be the person I was, again. I became a better and enlightened person because of you both. I am so happy that you are sharing your lives and inspirations with this world. It is a time that everyone needs to come together in love and light!
  • prospeaker25
    Relationship goals!
    You’ve heard of couples who get along, listen to each other, support each other, and are equally invested in the relationship. Who are these people?? It’s Joli and Ken! Their show gives you a peek behind the curtain so we can learn how to navigate communication pitfalls, family dynamics, expectations, arguments, sex and so much more. This is unlike other podcasts in that they are not interviewing experts, they ARE the experts (on their relationship) and they are role modeling how to have a thriving, loving connection with your partner.
  • ShyChickenLady
    Communication!
    Loved the examples and challenges you explained with implicit vs explicit communication. And talking over the top of each other...I always just thought that was rude! Turns out, it can be part of the fun and excitement. Good ideas for me to incorporate!
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